| February 10th, 2007 08:20 PM | |  LVE
Joined: Aug 1, 2006
Posts: 827 | Please Help Me Understand
I see forums topics and receive emails and PM's about photos not being reviewed. I decided to do a study and make a few facts available to discuss and seek your opinion. This was not a planned study, but was prompted when I was looking through my reviews today.
From 02/01/07 - 02/10/07 - 8:00 Pm
LVE Photos Submitted - 10
LVE Member Photos Reviewed - 73
LVE Reviews Received - 33
I have gone through all of the data files, and am going to try and generate a report based on averages of all Members to demonstrate the situation. I will do this anonymously, although, if it were my style, I would love to do this by individual, and let everyone take a shot at it! I won't! What tempts me is what people say, and try to make others believe about why they don't get more reviews.
Please give me your opinion, and, please do not mention names. I know what the problem is, because statistics, and analysis type work are a significant part of my professional background. Please let's be honest, with me, and with each other. This will help us formulate some of the things that are currently on the drawing board.
If you want to discuss this with me one on one, I will be happy to do so!
My best, Larry | | | [1] 2 >> | | | February 11th, 2007 08:05 AM | | ssomajik
Joined: Sep 18, 2006
Posts: 163 | Reviews......
Speaking just for myself, I find it very difficult to say ANY THING negative/critical given most recent events on the forum and I for sure am NOT knowledgeable enough to do a credible review on some of the really good work here. When I give nines it is an honest evaluation of what I see and feel, and wish I could produce, but then I feel guilty/confused given the guidelines for rating. I gave a review on a nice picture but felt the balance/ROT was a bit off and it offended the artist and I ended up writing an apology for my honesty.....there was ABSOLUTLY NO offense intended, the picture was really a good one but tended to throw me off balance and I made a small suggestion. No biggy but I did offend and felt badly. With the last altercation I became involved emotionally and caused hurt to some one who only was trying to help and teach and I displayed behavior that, in all honesty, was uncalled for and down right rude and cruel. As a result I only review what pushes my buttons visually and emotionally.
Solution......IMO the work shop where constructive suggestions and changes are offered then reviews should be easier and on a more positive level. Things like were adequate changes made to change picture quality. Is terminology and application being understood.........Well hope this helps, not sure it's what your looking for. This is a very nice site and a great opportunity for the learning process and I think a lot of us need to put it in a "school" category instead of a "showcase" opportunity, after all where can one get an "education" at these prices these days........ Please these are my personal feelings/observations and are NOT intended to point a finger or offend..........Beth | | February 11th, 2007 08:36 AM | | LVE
Joined: Aug 1, 2006
Posts: 827 | Thanks Beth
I am always interested in your comments. IMO, I think if one is sincere about wanting to become better, that it really helps them learn by studying and commenting on others work. Your point about the ROT or whatever, is a learning experience, and I often get back to people asking them to clarify a point or explain more. | | February 11th, 2007 12:05 PM | | RhodyGirl
Joined: Sep 18, 2006
Posts: 214 | My Two Cents...
I know this has been memtioned before, but I am somewhat averse to the use of number ratings, and this has often deterred me from reviewing certain photos. I think the numerical score takes away from the actual written review, which better expresses how I really feel about the photo. I know that I'm put off by receiving low scores, and sometimes that minimizes the significance of the written review. As a result, I tend to review photos that I really like, because I don't want to upset another photographer by giving him/her low scores, unless I can offer constructive suggestions on how to edit the photo. For some reason, I think suggestions about how a photographer can improve his/her photo are better received if there are no low scores attached to it. Just my opinion, of course. | | February 11th, 2007 04:17 PM | | LVE
Joined: Aug 1, 2006
Posts: 827 | Fear Of Reviewing
Personally I am not in favor of numerical ratings, unless, if there is any mark that is very low or if photos are scored very high that they are thoroughly explained as to why and how to improve or why you thought it was real good. If you make a mistake with a review, and the person being reviewed takes exception, approach them one on one and hear each other out. You learn a lot from reviewing others, and you don't learn a thing getting reviews that are rated high and say very little other than giving you flattering remarks. Say what you feel, good or bad, explain yourself, and say it kindly. | | February 11th, 2007 06:11 PM | | andreyG
Joined: Sep 19, 2006
Posts: 392 | Re: Please Help Me Understand
I did not like the numerous rating at first, but it helps me to organize myself, I do not think that we have the best one, but it is much better then nothing. About the numbers - I think it is sort of fair, I can bump my amount of reviws, but I am comphortable with what I am doing and with what I am getting, I wish we a bit back to the beginning, when the reviews were more independend, but it is good. Still think that if somebody feels that he (she) needs to collect more opinions for some works - we can (can we?) make a special room where intence reviews and live chat about some work could be provided. | | February 11th, 2007 08:58 PM | | LVE
Joined: Aug 1, 2006
Posts: 827 | I Don't Want To Keep Passing the Buck!
I agree with Leigh and Andrey as well. This live chat setup was to have been implemented in November. I am very good at the visionary part of this business, pretty good technically, but am not capable of writing the code. I am however in charge and therefore accountable. I will do my best, as it is a great idea. | | February 12th, 2007 10:23 AM | | andreyG
Joined: Sep 19, 2006
Posts: 392 | Mary Ann
I also checked the archives and saw that people are rude, I am thinking - does it make any sence to make a weight system - like the quality of the reports and quality of the answers weighted, and those uti-muti-how-cuti authomatically handicapped? Also, rude reports are not desirable and should be eliminated (as much as rude, not productive reviews) - could we do some symbol for politeness, for me to avoid the person who is rude - it would not break anonimity code, but will make it easier. But what I see as a trend - that our reviews are becoming weeter and sweeter, till a degree that my behind becoming stick. And I do not like the feeling. No pain no gain - is a wonderfull rule. | | February 12th, 2007 12:26 PM | | LVE
Joined: Aug 1, 2006
Posts: 827 | You are the best!
Couldn't have said it more delicately if I tried. No pain - no gain for sure! | | February 12th, 2007 01:48 PM | | Birdlady
Joined: Sep 18, 2006
Posts: 176 | I love the idea
I love the idea of a workshop forum. I know when Larry or Ginger gives me advice on settings, I set my camera according to their suggestions and go out and shoot some photos. I don't mind getting low scores if they are accompanied by real input. I am probably one of the least experienced photographers here, but I wouldn't be here if all I was in it for was the feel good gratification. | | February 12th, 2007 07:42 PM | | andreyG
Joined: Sep 19, 2006
Posts: 392 | valerie
I think you have some excessive fear with your shots, I think some of snaps are really good, I have a rule - if I like it - i place it, some of them are done by 4mp camera on full authomatic. I think a feeling has to play a significant role in reviewing, I saw many of technically excellent shots, that are not good, and viseversa. I think that everybody is welcome with their reviews, recently I see several people to study their processes, they could be wrong by my opinion, but it is good that they are trying. I think if you tell your opinion in a gentle, not categorical form, and add do you like the picture or not - it is OK I, actually like when my pictures are not liked, - means that I have a chance to improve, or understand something that i do not know. Abowt weak pictures - I love to review them - it is very difficult and a chalange to recommend how improve a hopeless picture, try it by yourself - an excellent school. I think any single picture - is welcome here, at least I hope so. | | | [1] 2 >> | |
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